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christendom has jesus with long hair - from the start i believe
so why no long hair - is it simply because of a literal reading of paul ?
but if they tell me that i wont be able to give talks on min school
Well, lucky old you then
I refused to join the school and never did a talk due to my nerves not being up to the job when I was a JW. I really felt for a brother who forced himself to do talks and had to rush to the loo afterwards. Really, really stupid (James CH:3 V:1 - always makes me feel better about the situation and more JWs should use that scripture against Elders who apply pressure).
new video analysis from alex jones, absolute proof of wtc explosives, you must watch this!
the proof!!!!
: the use of explosives on 911 at the world trade center complex .
Well, I found the video interesting and I tend to believe the evidence presented.
I also think (know) the US has scum at the top end.
It is important to present this information to a wider audience who for the most part are living in slumber land. When you wake up, you have a chance to say no to these powers and refuse to be coerced into schemes set to take away your rights as an idividual.
Why bother posting then?
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christendom has jesus with long hair - from the start i believe
so why no long hair - is it simply because of a literal reading of paul ?
Well, I have some pictures of ancient Jews with shoulder length hair as well, so...
Possibly a Roman custom to have the hair cut short?
My hair looks rather shaggy and I don't think the local elders would like my beard either
biblicaly speaking that is.
we know their cult mentality with all its manipulation tactics and abusive authority is wrong.
but as far as their understanding of the bible, what do you believe they have right or wrong?.
Jehovah is not a trinity. WRONGI am soooo tempted to get you to explain yourself, but... well, can't be bothered
One thing the Witnesses do ' fairly ' well is place emphasis upon a moral code of conduct which is refreshing in this topsy-turvey world (try not to bite my head off voices of dissension, I am aware of the shunning policy).
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
Are we sure that this thread is a valid way to spend a day?
It seems as though our friend is uncertain of his own pathway. He also claims to have read lots and lots of material over the years and it is doubtful he will listen to any old news on this thread, as he knows it all
Its fun to watch the threads expand though.
I find it interesting that lots appear to be jumping upon this thread to comment. Maybe we are simply defending our own ideologies?
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
Apostates on this site pretty much admit that one main reason they left was because they did not want to live up to Bible standards (please don't eat me alive for saying this - it is true)
That appears to be the case with certain individuals and for a time, believe me, I decided to turn my life over to drugs and a few other vices. But then, I examined myself and decided to clean up my act in light of the standards I believed in within my heart.
Others leave for scriptural reasons and I do not think Ray Franz left because of breaking Bible principles. I also read CF with great interest and read about 2/3's of CoC (before growing tired of the material - I had read enough basically).
You have sadly made a broad generalization and have fallen into the overtly judgemental mindset (very JW infact).
The UN thing - so what if the Witnesses joined the UN, what's the big deal?
I had to sit through the study of "Revelation: Its Climax At Hand" - as I am sure you have. You know that being affiliated with the UN is a big deal, according to this book and other publications!
Saying all of this though, I do understand how you feel and I wish you all the best in your personal journey.
we are taught that jeh.
created all of us as free moral agents.
meaning we are able to decide to serve him or not to.
do humans have free will?
Certainly, we have freedom of thought and the ability to work towards putting those thoughts into action.
We cannot physically fly, yet observe nature and the mechanics of flight and then conceptualize a flying machine; moving towards an objective solution to our dreams.
I could stab you in the eye with my pen, yet in my heart I feel sadness and in my mind understand the consequences for doing so. I choose not to based around these reasons of heart and mind.
Yet within my mind at least I am a free moral agent and have - free will (if I choose).
i am not a scientist so i do bow to others superior knowledge on this site regarding these subjects (and welcome their input) but what is to stop these two theories both being proven so that they both apply to our origins.. what is to stop a creator creating evolution as a process just as a creator would create the laws of physics etc?
it would be akin to starting the ball rolling in creation terms and letting it carry on until the highest lifeform is present.
could scientific theory support this view perhaps?.
If they do exist, they also evolved as part of the ongoing processes within this universe, and were not necessarily responsible for our origins or subsequent evolution.
I have a problem in my mind. My brain hurts when I try to wrestle with the concept of an eternal evolving organism.
I prefer to believe that one item amongst this mass has always been a constant. God if you like. Always there, always has been, always will be.
I also believe in one aspect of the whole being united within itself and not being reliant upon any other fraction, to form unity.
I also believe that this one aspect is the whole. Go figure!
Now, how we individually define God is a matter of great debate - obviously
i am not a scientist so i do bow to others superior knowledge on this site regarding these subjects (and welcome their input) but what is to stop these two theories both being proven so that they both apply to our origins.. what is to stop a creator creating evolution as a process just as a creator would create the laws of physics etc?
it would be akin to starting the ball rolling in creation terms and letting it carry on until the highest lifeform is present.
could scientific theory support this view perhaps?.
It is sort of like 'a falling tree in a forest makes no 'sound' until there are entities capable of processing the vibration of air molecules'.
Yet I am of the mind that thinks the tree does actually make a sound. Just because I am not there, does not mean to say that there is 'no noise' associated with the event.
Ahem ...anyway
The consensus of subjective realities defines objective reality.
That depends my friend. At birth I was projected into this material universe and soaked it all up with my senses. I grew and learnt to understand my environment as I developed.
Maybe it has always been that way?
There is nothing subjective about the environment, it is there as a guide to our senses.
I suppose you refer to conceptualizing when you mention objectivity, rather than the fundamental nature of our joint experience?
The development of intelligence (as we generally define it) has produced a capacity to appreciate the wonder of the universe that did not exist before.
It could be argued that the ancients were wiser and closer to the land and had just as much (if not more) appreciation than do we. Afterall, our learning and intelligence has created a dire situation for the environment we currently exist in.
There is no evidence that suggests that our ancestors were necessarily moronic.
Whilst they had their 'so-called' myths & Gods and felt humbled collectively, we in the West (for the main part) place ourselves as Gods and strap a yoke of fear over the rest of creation (or evolution if that word stings).
At least, that is the way I see it.
I watched a TV program the other night about the canopy over the rain forest region of South America. It was fascinating to watch. Yet knowing in my head how life interacts at a minute level, does little for my heart.
Now, I have never been to a rain forest, yet visit my local woods during the summer months each year.
When I enter the woods, my heart is lifted intuitively by the surroundings. The great poets do not capture the feeling, nor the great artists. The interplay upon my senses is a wonder and goes far beyond my ability to facsimile.
The less I reason, the more my heart connects.
... and that for me is:
ineffable
